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"Obligatory" consumption of probiotics as a strategy to enhance general health

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Juran Nov 04, 2020

[1]https://www.nature.com/articles/nrgastro.2017.20

[2]https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/mar/19/is-your-gut-keeping-you-awake-at-night

[3]https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/05/bacteria-slim-treat-obesity-study

[4]https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/mar/31/bacteria-faecal-transplant-gut-mary-roach-gulp

[5]https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/2/eaao4502

[6]https://openmicrobiologyjournal.com/VOLUME/14/PAGE/1/

[7]https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/06/170601151924.htm

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Extensive quality control and risk-benefit ratio are major restrictions in generalization of probiotics

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Kritika Bansal Nov 11, 2020

[1]de Simone C. The Unregulated Probiotic Market. Clin Gastroenterol Hepatol. 2019 Apr;17(5):809-817. doi: 10.1016/j.cgh.2018.01.018. Epub 2018 Mar 14. PMID: 29378309.

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Juran4 months ago
I completely agree.
Also, no study, proof, or law will erase the general fear that the term bacteria causes.

What I thought is that maybe an invisible dose - an almost insignificant amount of known beneficial bacteria could be a good entry point to "start the wave" and also have a hormetic effect. But the amount must be so small that even if someone eats/drinks 10x the recommended dose, nothing bad happens.
So finding a dose below all reported doses that caused adverse effects and implementing it in the strategical market solution.
What do you think about that?

Will the "obligation" work?

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Shubhankar Kulkarni
Shubhankar Kulkarni Nov 05, 2020
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Juran2 months ago
I ran on an interesting paper that could serve as an argument about why this kind of "health obligations" could work.

Scientists studied the indirect genetic effects of 80,889 human couples of European ancestry (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-00991-9#code-availability). They wanted to see if an individual's behavior can be influenced by the individuals around us. When they filtered results that could have been the result of "an assortative mating" (e.g tall people choosing tall partners), they found that several behavioral traits strongly influenced the other person's phenotype. The associations included poultry and beef intake, time spent watching TV, susceptibility to mood swings, and smoking habits.

What it means is that there is a possibility that we can indirectly, by our behavior or "phenotype", influence the other person's genome. Thus, by the adoption of healthy habits or healthy dietary routines, there is a possibility of benefit not only for us but also for the people close to us.
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Povilas S2 months ago
With covid it's a bit different because you also endanger other people (although I'm not sure if this is the case when it comes to vaccination), but with probiotics, it would mostly be about your own health so it's even more intense regarding the freedom. In the US and some other countries, fluoride is put into tap water, so everyone consumes it whether they want it or not, this is a strategy for improving public dental health, but in my opinion, it's a bad strategy. Some people are against using fluoride as a supplement and indeed there are negative effects linked with its consumption, of course with larger doses, but still. Those kinds of actions also become very good soil for conspiracy theories to grow. So this would be the same with probiotics. Why force people? Better educate them well and let them choose. As long as you're not harming others it should be your choice.
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Juran4 months ago
Good point! Although in very specific places, you can still buy non-iodized salt in some shops. That could be a nice strategy - to leave the decision to people. Give them scientific data about probiotic benefits and let them choose in the market.

What about people allergic to certain foods?

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Shubhankar Kulkarni
Shubhankar Kulkarni Nov 05, 2020
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Juran4 months ago
I would first look at how current probiotic products dealt with this issue. The products would consist of small doses of probiotics that are beneficial to the whole population, or would, as cat/dog food, be categorized according to the age.

If an individual is intolerant, then it could use chocolate bars, flour, or something not-diary, but still enriched with probiotics.

Although I see many beneficial effects of this idea, I must agree your last paragraph is of my biggest concern. Analyzing the individual´s stool and then tailoring the personalized probiotic could be a better way.

Categorise diet patterns, geographical and ethnic groups before administering

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Subash Chapagain
Subash Chapagain Nov 05, 2020

[1] A.B. MothersheadDining customs around the world Garrett Park Press, Maryland (1982), p. 150

[2] A.B. MothersheadDining customs around the world Garrett Park Press, Maryland (1982), p. 150

[3]Gupta VK, Paul S, Dutta C. Geography, Ethnicity or Subsistence-Specific Variations in Human Microbiome Composition and Diversity. Front Microbiol. 2017;8:1162. Published 2017 Jun 23. doi:10.3389/fmicb.2017.01162

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Juran4 months ago
Subash ChapagainThank you for your contribution!

I completely agree. The categorization you mentioned is of incredible importance and would be the first step in this process.

I didn´t know about countries' variabilities in the microbiome being this big. It would be nice to see if this correlates with climate, diet, ethnicity, and cluster people in specific groups. Good point!

I was just thinking, what if, for e.g., some people live longer because they have better gut microbiota? Wouldn´t it be good to change the microbiota of other people to something more similar to the long-living ones?
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Shubhankar Kulkarni
Shubhankar Kulkarni4 months ago
Juran K. You are right. There do exist significant differences in the gut microbiota of the long-lived people when compared to controls. There also exists a difference across geographical regions and countries. One study observed a common link across long-lived people from different regions. Their comparative analysis showed that there is higher biodiversity within the Ruminococcaceae family in centenarians, compared to younger adults, irrespective of their nationality. Bacterial signatures were common among extremely old people of different nationalities. They identified Akkermansia, Alistipes, and Ruminococcoaceae D16 as signature taxa of long-lived people. Their results also suggested a change in the gut ecology during extreme aging from their younger counterparts. That change may be one of the keys to a long life.

Reference: I strongly encourage you to look at figures 2 and 3 from the study report. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0047637418302057
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Juran4 months ago
Shubhankar Kulkarni This could be a way to extract a new "healthy aging" checkpoint - biochemical changes and processes related to the specific microbiota activity in the gut of centenarians.

Probiotic foods with specific bacteria

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Shubhankar Kulkarni
Shubhankar Kulkarni Nov 18, 2020
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Juran3 months ago
The idea could work, but if it will be vending machines or dispensers doing that, it would be even less probable that people will trust these products. Food in vending machines sometimes stays for few weeks until someone buys it. Plus, the system should be sterile as a lab. Therefore, I would rather propose the "probiotic machines" in certain pharmacies, where the process can be monitored and where people would trust the product more.
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Shubhankar Kulkarni
Shubhankar Kulkarni3 months ago
Juran K. Agreed! Such machines in pharmaceutical stores would be more trusted. However, I think that limits sales. More people visit grocery stores than the pharmacy. And since the idea is to make probiotic foods, would it be better to have the products in the grocery store? I would like to know your opinion on the second paragraph in my suggestion. It is a more feasible idea than the vending-machine one. Also, the idea eliminates all the problems with generalizing the probiotic constituents in the foods. People can then buy the probiotics (microbes) that they need at their age, geographical location, race, sex, etc. They can buy multiple products based on the prescriptions given by their physicians.
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Juran3 months ago
Shubhankar Kulkarni I agree with the limitation of the sales you mentioned. Grocery stores would be the best.

Concerning the second paragraph, that is exactly what we need. From the start, there would be only a few options available, but with more research being done, new, more specific products could emerge., at the end resulting in all varieties of probiotic yogurts available (based on your specific needs). It could be done with other everyday products such as coffee milk, coconut and almond milk, smoothies, protein bars, etc. But, in my opinion, it should only be available on prescription, at least at the beginning.

Probiotics vs depression?

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Juran Dec 16, 2020

[1]Yang J, Zheng P, Li Y, Wu J, Tan X, Zhou J, Sun Z, Chen X, Zhang G, Zhang H, Huang Y, Chai T, Duan J, Liang W, Yin B, Lai J, Huang T, Du Y, Zhang P, Jiang J, Xi C, Wu L, Lu J, Mou T, Xu Y, Perry SW, Wong ML, Licinio J, Hu S, Wang G, Xie P. Landscapes of bacterial and metabolic signatures and their interaction in major depressive disorders. Sci Adv. 2020 Dec 2;6(49):eaba8555. doi: 10.1126/sciadv.aba8555. PMID: 33268363; PMCID: PMC7710361.

Two approaches to tackle the long-term stability of the probiotic products

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Juran Dec 17, 2020

[1]https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223308503_Recent_advances_in_microencapsulation_of_probiotics_for_industrial_applications_and_targeted_delivery

[2]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3763591/

[3]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3834910/

[4]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28763015/

[5]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0963996918309505

[6]https://ifst.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ijfs.13044

L. sporogenes led to probiotic coffee, tea, chocolate, soup, pasta, sugar and much more

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Juran Dec 18, 2020

[1]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0963996918309505

[2]http://beta.rodpub.com/public/uploads/263888lactospore.pdf

[3]https://www.researchgate.net/publication/298661972_A_Double-Blind_Placebo-Controlled_Parallel_Study_Evaluating_the_Safety_of_Bacillus_coagulans_MTCC_5856_in_Healthy_Individuals

[4]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26922379/

[5]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12410474/

[6]https://www.amazon.com/Sugar-2-0-Probiotic-16-oz/dp/B01DK2V4YA

[7]https://aquaforest.eu/en/product/probiotic-reef-salt/

[8]https://www.amazon.com/Bouchard-Belgian-Gluten-Free-Chocolate-Probiotics/dp/B07H5TCX9S

[9]https://www.sakara.com/products/probiotic-chocolate

[10]https://www.amazon.com/BeLive-Probiotic-Digestive-Vitamins-Supplement/dp/B06ZZPS4Q9

[11]https://www.trendhunter.com/trends/coffee-and-probiotics

[12]https://www.lizmoody.com/sweet-sour-probiotic-soup/

[13]https://www.nutraingredients.com/Article/2015/11/30/Probiotic-pasta-developed-by-Italian-researchers

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